Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Kahyaoglu vs Karadeniz Kahyaoglu Karadeniz Karadeniz Kahyaoglu.Assael B.Aslan Y.ohtorik. Koksoy H.Goksu I.Cubukcu. Cubukcu Y. Kahyaog Board Contract By M D - - Contract By M D - - IMPs 1 100 1 10 - PA PA - - 1 0 10-0 0 - - 0 0 - - 1 0 x 0-0 0 - - x 00 10-10 00 10-10 1 100 1 100 - - 11 0 100 11-1 1 100 1 100 - - IMPs Kahyaoglu Karadeniz This segment Penalty 0 0 Carryover 0 0 total - 1 - References: BridgeBase online. dited by M.ugino
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board 1 : Kahyaoglu : Karadeniz - 0 o - 100 c 1 10 1 0 10 J10 K Q J10 J A J A A Q Q K10 K K AQ - - :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu 1 X 1 A.... lml: this hand is not going well for west.. K.......... J.. A........ J.... T.. A.......... T.......... lml: I dont think there is any reason to bid on the est hand regardless of what orth Outh are doing.. #1 ::,,K, # :: Q,,A, # ::,K,, # ::,,J,A # ::,,, J # ::,T,A, # ::,,, T # ::,,, # ::,,, lestergold: Roland has got at the ack this time lestergold: why? mariner1: just enough right for 1n to lay well lestergold: 0/0 hc division..1.. mariner1: well that stos from laying it..1..xfer to!c ralfwil: will anyone of you double on?...... mariner1: acceting the transfer with a stiff is interesting lml: he didn t have an easy choice I suose..... ralfwil: hy now? mariner1: will soon be laying T here lml: but to accet the transfer. lestergold: how is west to know that n/s have byassed their two card fits to lay in their card fit.... K.... Q lestergold: thereby breaching Burn s law.... - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board 1 : Karadeniz - 0 : Kahyaoglu o - 100 c 1 10 1 0 10 J10 K Q J10 J A J A A Q Q K10 K K AQ - - : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu 1 X 1 dadim: slm herkese exerdar: slm.... Q.. K exerdar: eleme turunun son maˆ larˆ bu turnuvada.. Q.. akgul_club: cl +1H ve ortak renginde. tur kontrol ile nt demek cok essimist.... exerdar: son durumlar exerdar: htt://clubs.vugrah.com/egebric/teams _round.h?round=1 vugrahzxa: sory for connection roblem..... Q.. A.......... J.. T...... #1 ::,K,, # ::,,K, # ::,,Q,K # :: Q,,, # ::,Q,A, # ::,,,J # :: T,,, vugrahzxa: herkese merhaba exerdar: selamlar herkese vugrahzxa: iyi oyunlar..iyi seyirler.. vugrahzxa: herkese merhaba..1.. exerdar: selamlar... akgul_club: cl yailabiliyor..1 exerdar: d-b genˆ milli takˆ m oyuncularˆ, birazda hˆ zlˆ oyuncular vugrahzxa: herkese merhaba exerdar: bu masa biraz erken biter muhtemelne.. exerdar: selam tekrar exerdar: son Tˆ rkiye klˆ lerarasˆ ˆ amiyon takˆ m bu masa.. aksoy: selamlar aksoy: kolay gelsin Kenan... vugrahzxa: Teˆ ekkˆ rler mre abi hoˆ geldin.. K.. akgul_club: 1HP gosteriyorsa 1n sonra nt ok fakat hic zannetmem.. vugrahzxa: lˆ ik demek.. vugrahzxa: hoˆ geldin ˆ rfan.... K.... - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board : Kahyaoglu - : Karadeniz - 0 o PA c PA 10 J10 K J Q A 10 K A Q A K Q K AQ J10 J10 10 :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu Board : Karadeniz - 0 : Kahyaoglu - o PA c PA 10 J10 K J Q A 10 K A Q A K Q K AQ J10 J10 10 : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu lml: he doesnt have anything lestergold: the roblem with bad bidding is that sometimes it induces the oonenets to bid badly lml: there is no rule that says you have to balance on a flat and bad count... vugrahzxa: 1. ve. takˆ mlarˆ n karˆ ˆ laˆ masˆ nˆ izliyorsunuz akgul_club: s ve minorler yarisi izleyecegiz simdi herhalde.. exerdar: - minˆ r denebilecek bi el k-gden vugrahzxa: arkas. J yˆ lankˆ ran.. exerdar: son durum :htt://clubs.vugrah.com/ egebric/teams_round.h?round=1... exerdar: htt://clubs.vugrah.com/egebric/teams _round.h?round=1 - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board : Kahyaoglu - : Karadeniz o -1 0 c 10-100 K10 Q J Q10 K Q AK J 10 AQ AK J 10 A J :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu 1 1.. A...... ralfwil: Another had broken the contract vugrahzwz: sorry i missed something i guess vugrahzwz: they claimed -1? #1 :: Q,A,, # ::,,Q,K # :: K,,, # :: Q,,A, # :: J,, T, T # ::,K,, # ::,,, # :: A,,, lestergold: be fair Linda hes assed once andthe suit is a good one even if only - it looksto west as if c needs to be contersted lml: he doesnt have any high cards lestergold: havent we all fallen intothis trai have for sure lml: not my style anyway mariner1: was very good here in Closed Room lestergold: he had sure tricks in diamonds thats not nothing..1 mariner1: well lead makes this simle...1...... Q.. A...... mariner1: or not.... Q.. K.. K lestergold: heart was always available to get rid of minor suit loser........ Q.... A.... J.... T.. T mariner1: now a romotion?.... K.. ralfwil: If hadn t ruffed.......... - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board : Karadeniz : Kahyaoglu - o -1 0 c 10-100 K10 Q J Q10 K Q AK J 10 AQ AK J 10 A J : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu 1 X rada j.yˆ lankˆ ran ise. sˆ rada takˆ mˆ n hemen arkasˆ nda izmir buyuksehˆ r var yenˆ len... carleone: takˆ m iˆ in iˆ ler zorlasˆ cak akgul_club: katan olsaydi sahkinani eliyle s uzerine as sormadan derdi herhalde...... exerdar: sorunsuz bu elde.. A.. T.... K vugrahzxa: 1 ylˆ l 00 aat 1:00 da ˆ z mir GPALA Otelde BORD A MATCH Takˆ m Maˆ larˆ Yaˆ lacaktˆ r Kayˆ t: www.egebric.org veya www.izmirbric.org.... exerdar: iki gˆ zel oynadˆ.. J.... akgul_club: sahkina h ile koz dam soracagina nt ile hersey tamam dese ayhan rahatlikla diyebilirdi.... Q vugrahzxa: ahkina le koz damˆ nˆ sordu ile de dam bende deˆ er varmˆ diye sordu aksoy: okay iyi oynadˆ temo atlasa batabilirdi...... J.. A........ K.. aksoy: e.. #1 :: Q,A,, # :: K,,, # ::,,A,T # ::,K,, # :: J,,, # :: Q,,, J # :: A,,, # :: K,,, dadim: bu maˆ takˆ m iˆ in de oldukˆ a onemli carleone: selam ovncylmz: selam herkese dadim: slm exerdar: :) exerdar: slm Ovunc akgul_club: 1 lovelik bir :)..1 ovncylmz: az onceki el ye canlidan denebilir miydi?.. dadim: zonda denemez bence exerdar: 1100 de verebilir diyi, denebilirdi aksoy: seviyesinde art score mˆ cadelesi olur gibi bu el.... exerdar: chkbck gf sanˆ rˆ m, nt --- anlattˆ..... Q.. A...... K.... carleone: htt://www.egebric.org/kuluturnuvalari.htm turnuva sonuclarˆ burda arkas su an. sˆ - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board : Kahyaoglu - : Karadeniz - o 0 c 0-100 K10 K Q J10 10 K AQ J10 J A K J AQ AQ :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu 1 X 0 0 0 1 1 mariner1: its like Fudd s First Law of Oosition lestergold: Tom s rule actually lml: I don t think there is any reason to guess it but since it is only an utrick lestergold: Peeing Tom lml: it might be fun to do it mariner1: lmer Fudd s First Law of Oosition - For every Duck eason there is an.... K mariner1: equal but oosing abbit eason. lml: lay the ace I mean.. A.. #1 :: K,,, # :: Q,,A, # ::,K,A, # :: Q,J,,T # ::,,,K alddk: yes Taner, you ruffed Aslan s club winner...1.. vugrahzwz: they lay really fast..! alddk: Too fast for their own good in my view.... lml: :) lestergold: Roland slam here.. utas: s makable double dummy mariner1: will not give u easily here mariner1: Rabbi s Rule needed lestergold: also makeable on a non heart lead lml: he is deciding if is enough mariner1: Rabbi s Rule = when King is singleton lay the Ace utas: Ilker is a very sound bidder. ever looks for adventure :)...... K...... ralfwil: hen shows A there is ossibilities to find the K lestergold: haman s rule: when K is singleton stretch heck lestergold: neck.. Q.... A.. - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board : Karadeniz - : Kahyaoglu - o 0 c 0-100 K10 K Q J10 10 K AQ J10 J A K J AQ AQ 0 0 0 1 1 : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu 1 1 exerdar: onerden lˆ fit gelse belki ˆ ste konuˆ urdu.. K aksoy: as sorusu olsa gerek yoksa li renk AK ve A heralde kontrol gˆ sterirdi........ vugrahzxa: as sorusuymuˆ...... T gel_c_c:... Q.. vugrahzxa: as geˆ ilebilir bir deklereymiˆ zona kadar f deˆ il #1 :: A,,K, # ::,,, # ::,T,Q, # :: A,J,,K # ::,,,K vugrahzxa: bundan sonra maˆ daha var bugˆ n ve eleme maˆ larˆ bitiyor.. Q.. J.... T........ K vugrahzxa: yarˆ n ilk tk arasˆ nda final oynanˆ lacak vugrahzxa: oyun oynanˆ lmadˆ deklera hakkˆ nda konuˆ ulu el aˆ ˆ ldˆ...1..1 exerdar: d-b icin bordu,.. aksoy: ˆ imdi Yusuf u tutmak zor artˆ k vugrahzxa: tk kendi aralarˆ nda 0 ˆ er board luk maˆ lar yaacak ve ilk belirlenecek.. akgul_club: kolay bir nt eger cok yukselmezlerse.. akgul_club: nt=1-1 HP dengeli (genellikle) ye karsi nt kantitatif yamak xx karo ile biraz riskli... aksoy: deˆ ilmiˆ :) exerdar: nt + gf.. A exerdar: orta kuvvette el olmalˆ,minimum deˆ il.. exerdar: dengeli ˆ lem daveti yada as sorusu, nasˆ l oynuyorlar bilmiyorum - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board : Kahyaoglu - : Karadeniz - o 0 c 0-00 Q J A J AK K K J10 10 Q AQ 1-11 - 11 Q J A10 K10 :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu 1 X 1 10 make the suggestion.. J.. lml: its sort of an Acol bid for those who remember that lestergold: H by north cost zilch lml: it showed either a very strong single suiter or a strong suiter #1 ::,,J, ralfwil: a real good on.. A.. J.... K........ K utas: It is a %100 slam from mariner1: good breaks to allow slam here... lml: not 100% but very good..1 utas: if sades break of course.. mariner1: have a red save..! mariner1: in Closed Room never bid.. lestergold: s by north only requires sades not breaking -0.. lml: and no club ruff.. lestergold: yes but ercentage is enormous in favour.. lml: which is robably more likely than -0 sade break... but great slam lestergold: hard to bid hard for south to areciate that his club fit lus sades is gold dust....... ralfwil: very easy to find after an oldfashioned strong.... lestergold: mind you osgave them another chance north coyuld have cued H over D to - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board : Karadeniz - : Kahyaoglu - o 0 c 0-00 Q J A J AK K K J10 10 Q AQ 1-11 - 11 Q J A10 K10 1 10 : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu 1 aksoy: ama hiˆ ilgilenmedi Yusuf...... K.. Q.... ovncylmz: ortagin renklerinin birinde A10XX #1 ::,,A, # :: A,J,, # :: K,Q,, akgul_club: east eli 1cl acinca katan cl ten once durmaz muhtemelen ovncylmz: diger masada uzerine denmedi exerdar: im alˆ r Jr. ovncylmz: jr yilankiran im alir exerdar: 1. bordda frenler tutmamˆ ˆ :) exerdar: Koksoy karolarˆ beˆ enmedi seviye icin,dbl iˆ inde eli uygun bulmadˆ sanˆ rˆ m,1 yi tercih etti akgul_club: nolu elde ATALAY s uzerine s derdi dedim, ben derim demedim yanlis anlasilma olmasin..1... exerdar: bu set biraz hareketli geˆ eceˆ e benziyor.. exerdar: d-b iˆ in oluyor.... exerdar: K-g flanerry oynuyor sanˆ rˆ m, 1ntde lˆ olabiliyor.. vugrahzxa: forsing nt..... ovncylmz: guneyin eli ile denebilirdi ya da hangisi cuebidse.. A.. ovncylmz: guney(bati) aksoy: -1 ike kabak.. A akgul_club: mrb herkese.. J - 10 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board : Kahyaoglu 1 : Karadeniz - o -1 0 c x 0 10 K A J10 AQ10 10 Q A J K K J K AQ J 10 Q 10 - :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu 1 X X #1 ::,K,J, # ::,A,,T # ::,,A, # :: Q,,,A # ::,,J, # :: K,,, # ::,, Q, # :: T,J,K, # :: J,,Q, #10 :: A,,, #11 ::,,, lestergold: H can only mean i neeed club suort.. lestergold: H that is..1 mariner1: action ossible here utas: anyone h from west? lestergold: when you have not been able to show ur values easily and os give you a chance, you must take it.... lml: - come alive lml: and he does have great sot cards.. mariner1: DBL should be showing cards and a willingness to enalize..... mariner1: 1st DBL by that it.. lml: usually I lay the second double is enalty but I guess they dont... lml: after the original double.. mariner1: nd DBL looked like a "do something wise dbl" lml: it does but then why lay the first double as enalty if you cant double later.. lestergold: well east has found the correct lead lestergold: no lay here utas: ome lay ass then double only for enalties. o the second double is negative lml: not going to be able to cover the -0 at the other table though lestergold: that well true not vul no double no trouble as the oem says.. K.. J...... A.. lml: they are now in danger of letting this make.. T.... ralfwil: not the best return... alddk: Did ast not bid when he did not have to? o how many clubs does he have, at least?.. A.... Q.... lestergold: west knows the lead is from why return a heart?.. A utas: his d led two of cl. either attitude or count, he should have returned the suit vugrahzwz: 10 smith-echo i think bu west can be missunderstand? lestergold: dont use kit like smith echos unless you use them when u need to...... J.... K lml: still at risk of letting thi trhough.......... lestergold: som layers have to get the toys out of the uboard merely because they haen to have them.. Q.... T lml: got to hold all the sades.. J.. K lml: well done.... J.... Q lestergold: trid to let contract thrubut failed miserably.... A........ lml: ast-est did make it a challenge - 11 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board : Karadeniz - : Kahyaoglu 1 o -1 0 c x 0 10 K A J10 AQ10 10 Q A J K K J K AQ J 10 Q 10 - : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu 1 1 1 X X www.egebric.org veya www.izmirbric.org..1 aksoy: bu mis-fit i gˆ rˆ nce en iyisi belki 1 kˆ re as demesi...1 alichengiz: art skor yarˆ ˆ ˆ... alichengiz: tarz exerdar: dbl exerdar: ˆ imdi cl..... akgul_club: as demesi lazˆ m.. alichengiz: in iyi kozu yok, oynarken, defans lerle forse ederse, koz kontrolˆ nˆ yitirir.. ovncylmz: AKXXX JXXX gordukce aklima lanzarotti-buratti geliyor:)... exerdar: - le konturlu fazla olacak gibi.. T.. A.... aksoy: ik de tref verebilir.... J.. K.. A akgul_club: d + 1s + h kaybˆ var ama 1 batar hesini alamazlar.. akgul_club: riskli defans, atalay bir batacak galiba.... K aksoy: donduk sandˆ m :).. A.. J...... K.. K vugrahzxa: sˆ ra her kendine gelen dˆ ˆ ˆ n ˆ yor:) exerdar: :).. T.... exerdar: ˆ lem bordundan 1 Arkas a.... A.... #1 :: T,A,, # ::,J,K,A # ::,,K,A # :: J,,,K # :: K, T,, # ::,A,, vugrahzxa: 1 ylˆ l 00 aat 1:00 da ˆ z mir GPALA Otelde BORD A MATCH Takˆ m Maˆ larˆ Yaˆ lacaktˆ r Kayˆ t: www.egebric.org veya www.izmirbric.org vugrahzxa: 1 ylˆ l 00 aat 1:00 da ˆ z mir GPALA Otelde BORD A MATCH Takˆ m Maˆ larˆ Yaˆ lacaktˆ r Kayˆ t: www.egebric.org veya www.izmirbric.org aksoy: ek de savuˆ madˆ :) exerdar: :) alichengiz: amacˆ o :) alichengiz: Gˆ naydˆ n Herkese :).. alichengiz: minˆ r zayˆ f el varken e ik dediˆ inizde ortak genelde sizdeki kˆ sa minˆ rˆ rebid eder..1 vugrahzxa: 1 ylˆ l 00 aat 1:00 da ˆ z mir GPALA Otelde BORD A MATCH Takˆ m Maˆ larˆ Yaˆ lacaktˆ r Kayˆ t: - 1 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board : Kahyaoglu - 1 : Karadeniz - o 0 c 0 0 K K 10 AK Q Q10 A A J K J Q J 10 A J Q10 :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu 1 1 11 11 #1 ::,T,A, # :: Q,A,,T # ::,,A, # :: K,,, # :: Q,T,, lml: well said Mike lestergold: its the olite version of what secs are saying in messages to me utas: ever lead away from a suit headed by king...1...1........... T.. A.. alddk: who says so? mariner1: only when its right lestergold: well dull hand both os trying to engineer a diamond ruff to be sadly disaointed ralfwil: never heard about that rule Ugur lml: declarer can go to slee on this hand now.. Q.. A.... T...... A.... K.... 1 Board : Karadeniz - : Kahyaoglu - 1 o 0 c 0 0 K K 10 AK Q Q10 A A J K J Q J 10 A J Q10 11 11 : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu 1 1 #1 ::,T,J,A # ::,,Q,A # :: Q,,, # :: Q,,, # :: K,,, # :: A,T,, # ::,J,K, akgul_club: 1h acacak.... Q.. T.... alichengiz: minˆ r major yarˆ ˆ ˆ? exerdar: ˆ ok sˆ k olan bi sekans, rakibi yakalarken, yanlˆ ˆ kozda konturlu ˆ ok yatˆ rma:) aksoy: evet iki tarafta e kadar yaˆ yor... vugrahzxa: atmosfer ˆ ok gergin akgul_club: ayhan li renk ve 1 HP ile acmadi?..1 exerdar: ˆ ˆ kˆ lmazsa minˆ r yaabilir d- b alichengiz:, KG vugrahzxa: turnuva sonuˆ larˆ iˆ in bu linkten yararlanabilirsiniz htt://www.egebric.org /kuluturnuvalari.htm.. aksoy: ebakalˆ m kontursuz geˆ ecekmi ovncylmz: sehmusa degisik eller geliyor..1 alichengiz: akgul_club: s hemen kula batiyor.. alichengiz: konturlu bence 1-1 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) aksoy: evet 1 ike ceza konturu olunca herˆ eyi konturlu oynamak gibi bir sikoloji oluyor akgul_club: nt agresif.... alichengiz: ortak as demiˆ ken nt ilginˆ alichengiz: :).. exerdar: gf, ik naturel olmak zorunda deˆ il -kart olabilir.. gel_c_c: kolata ve kandemir in alˆ ˆ ˆ lmˆ ˆ hˆ zlˆ oyunlarˆ ndan dolayˆ bu masa da oeratˆ rlˆ k yamak oldukˆ a zor olsa gerek; kenanˆ tebrik ediyorum :).. exerdar: ˆ ˆ kˆ lmayˆ nca + olacak.. T aksoy: iyi baraj Tezcanˆ n ik ˆ ˆ kacaˆ ˆ nˆ varsayarsak :).. J.. A alichengiz: dbl inverted dbl olabilir, ˆ ste konuˆ mak isteyen el akgul_club: su anda lovesi var.. aksoy: tur koz ˆ ekince 1 tref gene de verecek sanki.... Q.. A.. Q.. akgul_club: s oynamazsa kagit olur.. akgul_club: oooo alichengiz: ya veya e shift edilmesi gerekiyordu vugrahzxa: dekleran claim yatˆ lˆ ve diye.. vugrahzxa: gerˆ ektem ˆ yle Levent teˆ ekkˆ rler:) aksoy: tane ike ˆ akarsa baˆ ka tabii.. Q ovncylmz: Q,......... K...... ovncylmz: wd.. A.. T........ J.. K.. Board : Kahyaoglu 1 : Karadeniz - o x - 00 c 10-100 10 K J10 Q K Q AK A10 J10 Q J J A AQ K :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu 1 X X X #1 :: A,,, # :: K,,, # :: J,,A, # ::,Q,, # ::,,A, # ::,, T, # :: Q,A,, lestergold: my son would rather underlead an ace in geneal than lead from an unsuorted K other things being equal lml: they are laying so fast it is like they want to go to dinner ralfwil: leading from small often shoots my artners honours mariner1: no game will someone get shoved too high? lestergold: well its a roland hand again lestergold: free virtual turkish dlight to any sec who tells me why..1 mariner1: Ralf my artner never has an honor... of course I never have a King.. ralfwil: My bid is from..!.... lestergold: got it now commentators may answer... lml: has some chances - 1 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) lml: we will see......... mariner1: well made in Closed Room so... lestergold: club lead? mariner1: Q would be mine lml: that is definitely a hel lestergold: and no one has answered my conundrum - excet secs mariner1: after a lestergold: Tell em Roland! mariner1: Roland would not have anything to do with this hand :) lestergold: what! Roland DALT IT lml: st is worried will make lestergold: Im surrised at you Rob lml: he doesnt have much defense lestergold: its a 0/0 hc division!!.. lml: not surrised.... lestergold: well this is for sure a hantom in ractice if not theory... A lestergold: but only 00 so not a massive loss........ K.... ralfwil: the save is in fact correct.... J.... A...... Q lml: est is still not sure if four makes. This is the tye of hand where afterwards I am trying to figure it out.......... A........ T.... Q.. A.... Board : Karadeniz - : Kahyaoglu 1 o x - 00 c 10-100 10 K J10 Q K Q AK A10 J10 Q J J A AQ K : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu X #1 :: Q,A,, # :: A,,, # ::,,J, # ::,T,K, # :: T,,, # ::,K,, # :: A,,, akgul_club: smith eco anlasmazligi var tahmin ediyorum gel_c_c: lu bi karmaˆ a yarattˆ galiba akgul_club: kolata ortaginda h var zannetti vugrahzxa: evet tref lu kˆ r e devam olarak anlaˆ ˆ lmˆ ˆ ovncylmz: az onceki elde diger masada ye geldi emre-muharrem..!.... alichengiz: oynayan J ˆ saklayˆ nca, ismail de J kˆ r aradˆ Kolata.. akgul_club: ismail sayi verdi ama kolata smith zannedi kore cesaret verdi zannetti ortagi ovncylmz: X gelmedi.. alichengiz: KG aksoy: bu ataˆ a yaabilir mi?... Q exerdar: trefleri kaˆ masˆ biraz zor gibi duruyor ovncylmz: nt tekini soruyor.. A ovncylmz: c: kucuk tek alichengiz: nt gˆ re ˆ ok daha iyi.. akgul_club: mehmet try yamasi lazimken nt - 1 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) dedi ilginc.. alichengiz: astan gelen iyi el, davet.. A.. akgul_club: nt kabak:).. vugrahzxa: 1 + karo exerdar: le biraz ˆ stten konuˆ tu batˆ akgul_club: uysal kuranoglu 1c acisi + kart vaadediyor ama 1d li olabiliyor........ J alichengiz: htt://www.egebric.org/kuluturnuvalari.htm sonuˆ lar iˆ in akgul_club: h kontrati s+1h+1d ve 1c kaybederek muhtemelen yailacak ovncylmz: ik demek riskli degil mi?.... akgul_club: kor asi gecince sorun yok.. T.. K aksoy: li karo?.. ovncylmz: ya ortagin kor cuebidine ihtiyaci varsa?.. T alichengiz: geˆ iyor, geˆ iyor, K uˆ uyor.......... K.... exerdar: ortakda daha kuvvetli bi el ˆ ˆ kabilirdi tabi exerdar: ˆ imdi oldu.. A...... exerdar: D J diye dusundu nver abi vugrahzxa: erde kaalˆ iken enver bey ile sohtorik olur diye iddiaya girmiˆ lerdi:) Board : Kahyaoglu 10 : Karadeniz - o 10 c 00 0 A AK Q J K J10 Q 10 K Q K10 0 0 0 A J J AQ10 1 :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu #1 :: Q,A,, # :: J,,, # ::,,A, # :: K,T,, # :: J,,, # ::,,J,K # :: T,,, # ::,A,, # :: Q, T,, #10 ::,,, 1 1 mariner1: enultimate board of the session mariner1: htt://online.bridgebase.com/vugrah/ schedule.h - BBO Vugrah chedule mariner1: (set u to show times for your area) lml: it is robably not a good idea to go for -00 into -0 on a hand that may not make utas: more boards lestergold: well a dim loser for sure and a heart can one avoid club losers lestergold: thats why i said its easy on a club lead but otherwise dodgy mariner1: anyone? :) lestergold: very hard to judge on these 0/0 hands which is why Roland sneaks in to deal them mariner1: here taking advantage of the V osition..!.... lestergold: not t all bad a slam for e/w here lml: this is not going to ket ast-est out of a - 1 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) minor slam I redict but we will see mariner1: somehow in Closed Room only made lestergold: with club K onside its infrangible in fact in three denominations.... lml: of course it deends on the finesse lml: to make even ralfwil: deending on their bidding, but for me... mariner1: is not slam level I do not think :).. Q lml: I usually lay as forcing but I guess they dont lestergold: maes on a non major suit lead even when finesse is wrong so slam is better than 0% lestergold: however while we are discussing the merits of small and grand slams on this or hand we aear to be laying in a art score.. A...... J............ A.... K.. T.... ralfwil: on a major lead it s nt or nt... J...... lml: you do need more than the club finesse you need the king on side no more than times lestergold: ok true enough Linda...... J.. K lestergold: but as we are not even in game its become very academic.. T...... lestergold: who gets the blame folks?.... A...... Q.. T.... lml: declarer is however laying very safe here for.. Board : Karadeniz - : Kahyaoglu 10 o 10 c 00 0 A AK Q J K J10 Q 10 K Q K10 0 0 0 A J J AQ10 1 1 1 : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu 1 1 X #1 ::,A,, # ::,,J, # ::,,A, # :: K,T,,T # :: Q,,, # ::,,, # ::,,J, # :: J,,A, # :: A,,,Q akgul_club: nolu elden uysala sayi gelecek vugrahzxa: 1 ylˆ l 00 aat 1:00 da ˆ z mir GPALA Otelde BORD A MATCH Takˆ m Maˆ larˆ Yaˆ lacaktˆ r Kayˆ t: www.egebric.org veya www.izmirbric.org aksoy: nver olur dedi heralde ki iddiayˆ kazanmak iˆ in R koymadˆ :)...1..1.. exerdar: :) akgul_club: h u kuranoglu uyandirirmi?..... akgul_club: uysal 1h u bile uyandirmadi:)... gel_c_c: :).. akgul_club: karo atagina h yailabilir alichengiz: ek iyi bir baraj deˆ il, 00 aksoy: 00 exerdar: dbl=resonsive aksoy: tref asˆ na oluyor aksoy: ama raki taraflˆ konuˆ unca zorland ˆ lar... - 1 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) exerdar: 0 yazar n-s im oynar gibi.. A.. exerdar: ˆ imdi iyi baraj........ J........ A exerdar: :) ovncylmz: hmm.... K exerdar: ufak,yatˆ yor kontratˆ carleone: sehmus u karara zorladˆ ama ufak koyacak ovncylmz: uanlari saymadi mi? exerdar: zaten baˆ ka ˆ aresi kalmadˆ, mecbur ufak.. T aksoy: 00?.. ovncylmz: elinde KJXX olan biri neden karara zorlasin ki?.. T exerdar: evet.. Q.. aksoy: :) aksoy: ya olacak ya........ akgul_club: +1...... alichengiz: game over exerdar: J oynayˆ nca R koyabilir akgul_club: h oldu.... J.... J.... A.... A Board 10 : Kahyaoglu - : Karadeniz - o -1 100 c -1 100 10 10 10 AK J A10 Q J Q J K A Q10 K K Q J A10 :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu 1 #1 :: Q,,,T # ::,,K,Q # :: A,,, # :: A,,, # ::,,T, # ::,,J, # :: K,,,T # :: J,,A, # :: Q,,,K mariner1: and now the last board of this session...... Q lml: and who can blame him vugrahzwz: last board of day :) lml: for laying safe I mean mariner1: a big THAK! to Taner Celik ( Turkey), our suerb oerator, for doing an mariner1: excellent job!!! lml: thanks everyone... very lively discussion.. mariner1: Our areciation to the Turkish Bridge Federation, and all the generous.. mariner1: sonsors and organizers for heling BBO bring us the vugrahs!..1 mariner1: and thanks for their wit and insight to my co-commentators Linda Lee mariner1: (Canada), Mike Gold (Great Britain), Ugar Tas (Turkey), Ralf ilquist mariner1: (weden), and Roland ald (Denmark)...I am Rob Brown (UA)... - 1 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) lestergold: H biddable by / here but cards are sitting at them.. mariner1: Roland ald (Denmark) is the BBO vugrah co-ordinator and works diligently.. mariner1: at it! mariner1: also, a round of alause for our hosts: Fred, heri, Uday, Bill Gates, haron mariner1: Osberg, and David mith. ithout them there would have been no.. mariner1: broadcasts. Thanks a lot for creating a site that is greatly areciated by bridge mariner1: lovers worldwide! mariner1: secial thanks to all the sectators, those comments and tis really do hel us..... mariner1: a lot! lestergold: Rob u ve said it all nothing left for the rest of us to say!!.. Q.... lml: what an international set of commentators!.. T mariner1: If you dig a dee enough hole, everybody ll want to jum into it. :)...... K.. Q.. A...... lestergold: and the established Ks sits there with no role to lay here lml: this is unlucky to go down.. A............ T.. mariner1: Mike is haiwanghobic...... J.. lestergold: it is a diabolical layout lestergold: what the... is that Rob? vugrahzwz: tommorow there will be only for teams mariner1: haiwanghobia - Fear of the lanet etune lestergold: dont get it.. K.... mariner1: you would have to have been here for 1st set.. T mariner1: or last set I should say lestergold: crytic too cryti for me vugrahzwz: *four lml: unlucky 1 down.. J.... A.... Q...... K mariner1: thanks all! lml: bye now mariner1: htt://online.bridgebase.com/vugrah/ schedule.h - BBO Vugrah chedule mariner1: (set u to show times for your area) lestergold: bye folks for now ralfwil: thanks all and bye for now utas: ty all vugrahzwz: bye for now i will save your seats for tommorow :) - 1 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board 10 : Karadeniz - : Kahyaoglu - o -1 100 c -1 100 10 10 10 AK J A10 Q J Q J K A Q10 K K Q J A10 : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu 1 1 #1 :: Q,K,A,T # ::,,, # :: Q,,,K # ::,, J, # :: A,,, # ::,,T, # :: Q,,,K # ::,,, # ::,T,J, vugrahzxa: turnuva sonuˆ larˆ iˆ in bu linkten yararlanabilirsiniz htt://www.egebric.org /kuluturnuvalari.htm exerdar: lˆ yˆ referans dˆ ˆ ˆ nmˆ ˆ olabilir Paracˆ k exerdar: oda elinde RJ varken zor ovncylmz: dam karo referansi mi:) exerdar: ˆ anslˆ bord d-b icin akgul_club: niseten kolay bir h veya nt.. aksoy: bir ilginˆ el daha alichengiz: eller ˆ ok ˆ arˆ k aksoy: K-G ik yaar gibi.. alichengiz: + iyi el vugrahzxa: 1 ylˆ l 00 aat 1:00 da ˆ z mir GPALA Otelde BORD A MATCH Takˆ m Maˆ larˆ Yaˆ lacaktˆ r Kayˆ t: www.egebric.org veya www.izmirbric.org..1 ovncylmz: yerde var, elimizde, ortakta uani gorduk:) exerdar: Q dˆ sˆ nda biˆ ey gelmedi aklˆ ma:).. alichengiz: yine art skor yarˆ ˆ ˆ, iklerle oynar sanˆ rˆ m..1 aksoy: D-B da kominikasyon roblemi var exerdar: de dˆ ˆ arda tabi, acele oyundan kaynaklandˆ desek doˆ ru olur.. ovncylmz: oyuncular yorulmus olabilirler gunde mac var ve takimlar genelde -kisi alichengiz: ˆ kˆ lmasa den de eey lˆ ve alˆ nˆ r akgul_club: butun roblem s dami kacirmaya calismak kacmayinca s valeye as atmak gibi gorunuyor.. aksoy: Tezcan nasˆ l olsa tek baˆ ˆ na konuˆ ur diye Hakan susuyor :).. exerdar: :) alichengiz: ama kesin shift edilir.... exerdar: swing olabilir bu el alichengiz: alˆ oynar ve bilirse sorun yok.. aksoy: olabilir evet exerdar:. el diˆ er masada - oldu... aksoy: asˆ geˆ miyor asˆ geˆ miyor R kaˆ mˆ yor -1.. ovncylmz: kor asin alinmasindan sonra kucuk trefl=).. Q akgul_club: s db ya kabak iken 1nt de kg tarafindan yailabilir.. K akgul_club: trefli bilemeyi batacak muhtemelen.. A.. T.. alichengiz:.. alichengiz: ˆ imdi artˆ k i bilmek zorunda...... Q...... K akgul_club: wd...... J.... A exerdar: clm.. akgul_club: as tmak zorunda simdi.......... T.... Q - 0 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board 11 : Kahyaoglu 11 : Karadeniz - o 0 c - 100 11-100 Q J J10 Q A Q AK10 K J J A10 K Q10 AK - :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu singleton.. Q vugrahzwz: for results htt://clubs.vugrah.com /egebric/teams_round.h?round=1.. K.. ralfwil: agree Linda! lml: this looks headed for one down as the trums lie after the diamond lead.. A.. alddk: ot quite...... A.... Q.. lml: excet for that lay :)........ alddk: A ruined it lml: I wasn t execting that from ast. It seems very strange to me lml: if he felt he needed to clear dummy lml: sade he could have underled ralfwil: what s wrong with 10 alddk: Aslan did the right thing when he cashed the second diamond honour. If he had not, the contract could have been made. However, A... lml: yes that was a strange lay #1 :: J,Q,K, # :: A,,, # :: A,,Q, # ::,,, # :: K,,, lestergold: hi Raif!...... K............ T.. J alddk: alvador Assael, one of the strongest layers in Turkey. He formed a strong artnershi with afiz Zorlu fro many years mariner1: hi Ralf ralfwil: Hello Linda! ralfwil: Hello Rob.... mariner1: hi Ugar.. lml: hi lestergold: well oortunities here for something interesting lestergold: oos reach s unoosed when you can unforuntaley make H... utas: ˆ lker and Bulent are laying first time in a big event. Assael and Goksu are also a new artnershi. are two of the best layers of Turkey... J ralfwil: -1 or - with a lead lml: It looks like orth outh lay decent reemts since orth was willing to go to game on a - 1 -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board 11 : Karadeniz - : Kahyaoglu 11 o 0 c - 100 11-100 Q J J10 Q A Q AK10 K J J A10 K Q10 AK - : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu #1 :: J,Q,K, # :: A,,, # :: K,,,A # ::,T,J,Q akgul_club: kuranoglu neden cl atti?.. K gel_c_c: defosu yardˆ mcˆ oldu biraz alichengiz: eey vugrahzxa: ismail abi de ˆ yle sˆ yledi defosun lˆ veye mal oldu dedi as atacakmˆ ˆ :) ovncylmz: iyi defans vugrahzxa: Board A Match kayˆ tlarˆ ital olmuˆ exerdar: nt bordundan 10 daha geldi Kahyaoglu na aksoy: bu el rober briˆ te gelse :) ovncylmz: emre kaya da diger masada karo KJXX ten oynadi.. ovncylmz: ama as koydu deklaran alichengiz: ˆ lem ve zon ellerini sakladˆ lar mˆ acaba?.. aksoy: batma ihtimali % falan aksoy: ama battˆ exerdar: ya as koymak iyi deˆ il, kˆ rden verirse kontrat he batar.. exerdar: ele ˆ ekerek ˆ ansˆ denemek lazˆ m ovncylmz: atak kor vale ovncylmz: kor as ovncylmz: kor ku ovncylmz: simdi karo dondu akgul_club: c e karsi d yailabilir.. akgul_club: 1c-1d-c? exerdar: hmm aksoy: diˆ er masada alvo ortaˆ ˆ nˆ n aˆ ˆ ˆ ˆ na dedi.. J akgul_club: ayhan in eliyle c i uyandirir misiniz?.. Q.. K aksoy: aynˆ atak.. ovncylmz: emreninki daha masumca derken 1-1 oldu mac.. A exerdar: defansˆ n biraz atlamasˆ gerekiyor heralde yamak iˆ in.. aksoy: evet bˆ lent as-rua karodan sonra as ik ˆ ekti.... aksoy:. karoyu hemen alma telaˆ ˆ iˆ inde.. aksoy: nver in aynˆ hatayˆ yaacaˆ ˆ nˆ sanmˆ yorum aksoy: iddiya giren varsa... alichengiz: 1 dˆ zeyinde art skor oynatˆ lˆ yor.. K akgul_club: kandemirin 1kor u bence underbid idi sonra bir daha konusmasi sartti akgul_club: art skor swingi oldu exerdar: decleran yaamadˆ gˆ nˆ gˆ rˆ yor, A dˆ sardayken, ufak karo mecburen:).... aksoy: kaybeder.. A exerdar: :) vugrahzxa: the last board for today.. aksoy: nver kendi iddiaya girseydi ˆ ekerdi as iki :) gel_c_c: bulunamadˆ.. exerdar: - verebilir vale koyu akgul_club: h yailabiliyor fakat cl de batmiyor galiba.. T.. J.. Q aksoy: kazandˆ n krem :) exerdar: iddaya girmem lazˆ mmˆ ˆ :) aksoy: evet bilet almayˆ nca iyango ˆ ˆ kmaz:) - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board 1 : Kahyaoglu - : Karadeniz - o -1 100 c -1 100 1 10 K J J J 10 AQ J 10 AQ K10 AQ10 Q - K AK - :.Assael : I.Cubukcu Oen : B.Aslan : H.Goksu suose shows why a diamond lead isn t so bad when you have Jx in clubs.... K...... A...... Q...... A #1 ::,,,T # :: K,,, # ::,, J, # :: A,,, # ::,,,J # ::,,K, # ::,A,, # :: Q,,,A # ::,,, lml: I think of that as a first board lay. You are really settled with your thinking ca on...... mariner1: lead allows this............ lml: I suose a heart and sade lead are out so you are icking between the minors.... alddk: There is a case for leading a club. Partner did not double ; he might have if he wanted a D lead.. T lestergold: lead of a doubleton with a weajk hand seems more constructive.. K............ J.... A.............. J lestergold: i think a club lead on both grounds is correct utas: cam be defeated again with cl lay?.. mariner1: back to off again lml: It wasn t that easy to guess clubs which I - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) Board 1 : Karadeniz - : Kahyaoglu - o -1 100 c -1 100 1 10 K J J J 10 AQ J 10 AQ K10 AQ10 Q - K AK - : Y.ohtorik : Y. Kahyaog Closed :. Koksoy :. Cubukcu X #1 ::,,K,A # :: T,,Q, # :: J,,, # ::,K,, # ::,T,J, # ::,,,Q # :: K,,, # ::,, A, # ::,,, akgul_club: h+1d+1c verir?...... vugrahzxa: son board herkese ˆ ok teˆ ekkˆ rler vugrahzxa: diˆ er maˆ saat 1:0 da baˆ layacak gel_c_c: mˆ kemmel yayˆ n iˆ in teˆ ekkˆ rler kenan vugrahzxa: son board herkese ˆ ok teˆ ekkˆ rler vugrahzxa: sonraki maˆ saat 1:00 da baˆ layacak akgul_club: tesekkur kenan eline saglik vugrahzxa: sonraki Vugrah yayˆ nˆ J.Yˆ lankˆ ran ve Arkas arasˆ nda olacak ovncylmz: inanilmaz inaktif kaldilar ama vugrahzxa: zayˆ f majˆ rler evet vugrahzxa: son board herkese ˆ ok teˆ ekkˆ rler vugrahzxa: gˆ nˆ n ve eleme maˆ larˆ nˆ n sonuncusu saat 1:00 da baˆ layacak exerdar: :) aksoy: im kaˆ -kaˆ yaar? exerdar: uyandˆ rmak riskli majorde ˆ ok uan olunca,uyandˆ rabilirde tercih.. aksoy: karo oluyor el gˆ rˆ rse :) akgul_club: normalde batirilamayan bir s... ovncylmz: kor ass ass onumuze gelince as gecmek bence soz konusu degil exerdar: sorunsuz gibi dadim: kore canlˆ dan nie dbl atmˆ o bence atˆ lmalˆ.. akgul_club: ama batmis:).. ovncylmz: majorlerse bile canlidan dbl da atilabilir ovncylmz: 1 uan var vugrahzxa: son board herkese ˆ ok teˆ ekkˆ rler alichengiz: oynayacaklarˆ kesinde, kaˆ akgul_club: saol kenan suerdin!.... exerdar: as asa nt daha iyiydi AQ le aksoy: bence de ovncylmz: wow... exerdar: a dbl demesse zona gelmez zor zaten.. exerdar: geˆ en el alichengiz: diˆ er oda da, ismail ya sˆ ˆ ramˆ ˆ, Karo kuvvetli el anlamˆ nda sanˆ rˆ m, anlaˆ mazlˆ k olmuˆ gibi aksoy: bunu iyi dedi ˆ ˆ nkˆ bu el her ˆ artta kendi tarafˆ ndan oynamak ister.. exerdar: evet,atakdan he kazanˆ yor exerdar: iyi baraj oldu.... K aksoy: kˆ rle yere gidi tref oynayˆ nca yaˆ yor heralde artˆ k.. A exerdar: defans karoyu yˆ kˆ nca olmuyor aksoy: evet olmuyor defans atlarsa bi ˆ ekilde yatˆ rmasˆ lazˆ m akgul_club: s nasil batmaz diyen arkadaslara ilk trefli birakmayi ve karo markalarina bakmayi ˆ neririm.. T alichengiz: - 00, zayˆ f skor ama yinede kazanˆ yor.... Q alichengiz: bu daˆ ˆ lˆ mda batmˆ yor ama tolam lˆ ve kanunu gereˆ ince oynatmamalar ˆ gerekirdi, ik tahsil edilemiyor evet.. exerdar: tref oynarsa, defansˆ n dan bloke olmamasˆ lazˆ m.. J........ exerdar: batˆ nca diˆ er odada ˆ ok fark etmiyor tabi,10dan fazla gidiyor.. K.... exerdar: tabi Q koyarsa.. aksoy: dam koyarsa luyu atmasˆ lazˆ m - -
Izmir Teams Cu 00(Round 1) aksoy: ama 10lu koyacak alichengiz: 1 sayˆ lkan a.. T aksoy: trefe Tezcan as diyor cesaretlendirici Hakanˆ n bu elle yˆ dˆ ˆ ˆ nmesi gerekˆ rdi.. J vugrahzxa: tekrar hatˆ rlatayˆ m son maˆ saat 1:00 da baˆ layacak exerdar: mre Paksoy ve Ali Cengiz ˆ nce ye yorumlarˆ iˆ in tˆ kler exerdar: Kenan a ayrˆ ca tabi exerdar: :) alichengiz: Teˆ ekkˆ rler Herkese :) aksoy: sana da krem teˆ ekkˆ rler alichengiz: Kenan harika herzaman ki gibi alichengiz: iyi akˆ amlar :) vugrahzxa: ˆ ok teˆ ekkˆ rler exerdar: ˆ imdi Q bilmesi lazˆ m.. exerdar: ovncylmz: 1uani gordu.. exerdar: 1 gˆ rˆ ndˆ batˆ da Qde atakdan var gibi, Q doguya kalˆ yor,- ˆ ˆ kabilir diye emas denemesi lazˆ m ovncylmz: kor dami da bilior ovncylmz: 1 vugrahzxa: 1 ylˆ l 00 aat 1:00 da ˆ z mir GPALA Otelde BORD A MATCH Takˆ m Maˆ larˆ Yaˆ lacaktˆ r Kayˆ t: www.egebric.org veya www.izmirbric.org...... Q.. K............ A.. vugrahzxa: tekrar hatˆ rlatayˆ m diˆ er maˆ saat 1:0 da baˆ layacak gel_c_c: Uysal takˆ mˆ. board da bir geri dˆ nˆ ˆ gerˆ ekleˆ tirebilir ovncylmz: wd akgul_club: tsk herkese.... vugrahzxa: herkese ˆ ok teˆ ekkˆ rler vugrahzxa: tekrar hatˆ rlatayˆ m diˆ er maˆ saat 1:00 da vugrahzxa: J.Yˆ lankˆ ran ve Arkas arasˆ nda olacak vugrahzxa: turnuva sonuˆ larˆ iˆ in bu linkten yararlanabilirsiniz htt://www.egebric.org /kuluturnuvalari.htm vugrahzxa: 1 ylˆ l 00 aat 1:00 da ˆ z mir GPALA Otelde BORD A MATCH Takˆ m Maˆ larˆ Yaˆ lacaktˆ r Kayˆ t: www.egebric.org veya www.izmirbric.org exerdar: mre Paksoy a yorumlarˆ icin mre ˆ n e gˆ zel yayˆ n iˆ in tˆ klr aksoy: yarˆ n gˆ rˆ ˆ mek ˆ zere herkese iyi akˆ amlar vugrahzxa: good evening to all vugrahzxa: see you tomorrow.., vugrahzxa: - -